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Old Feb 19, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46   #1
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Default Balance on the Horizon.

Well, GWWC is, in effect, over. We know that ANet has said they won't be doing any kinds of skill balancing until GWWC is over, and that they probably will have skills to balance. When asked "When will you nerf __________," the response is always, "We will balance any skills that need it after GWWC."

So. GWWC is over.

Which skills do you realistically expect to be balanced, and how? I am loathe to turn this into an IWAY-only debate, but the only one I can think of is IWAY, and I am reasonably sure they are going to have the skill not affected by pets. Which, really, won't hurt a couple of modded-IWAYs. But I digress.

The whole point was that when I thought about balancing, I couldn't think of anything else that needed 'balance,' either nerfed or buffed. So, any predictions? And will the metagame finally tip as a result?

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Old Feb 19, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49   #2
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I, for one, will wait and see. No predictions. I'll deal with any changes when I see what has been changed.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50   #3
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I think they might nerf distortion, as it seems to be creeping into everyone's skillbar. I hope they don't.

If they change things to make warriors and rangers not the only constant reliable offence in pvp then there may be no need for this.

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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:05 PM // 16:05   #4
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I don't want to say much on what is and what is not balanced, but my thought personally is Spitefull Sprit.

Though I would not bet on it, it could be anything.

I am interested to see what they do change though.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11   #5
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I think all players know for a fact that Crippling Shot will be nerfed.

A skill that can be used no matter what amount of marksmanship you have, giving the full 8 seconds of cripple, can't be blocked or evaded, and has a 1 second recharge time, not to mention the 10 energy cost is way to small of a class that specifically reduces the energy cost of skills such as this.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11   #6
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Spiteful Spirit? How is that skill overpowered?
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16   #7
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i think various AOE skills will get a buff in a reduced energy cost/faster cool down or both

example is firestorm where you pay full price and get half the value.

refer to Ensigns post on the huge imbalance in damage.

if he cant make it work there is a problem.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28   #8
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I think all players know for a fact that Crippling Shot will be nerfed.

A skill that can be used no matter what amount of marksmanship you have, giving the full 8 seconds of cripple, can't be blocked or evaded, and has a 1 second recharge time, not to mention the 10 energy cost is way to small of a class that specifically reduces the energy cost of skills such as this.
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and they should nerf Orison of Healing too... waaaay overpowered [/sarcasm]

I can think of a couple skills that need a mite bit of tuning, but nothing big other than IWAY.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42   #9
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The only skill that I can think of that might get nerfed is SS. The reason I say that is because I dont see any other skill that a player can use echoed that can literally shut down two players completely if they dont want to harm everyone in the grp. This skill it could be nerfed if cast on a person it harms only that person not everyone around them. That would balance out a few necroes dont ya think
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51   #10
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Some of the inspiration skills like energy tap are pretty bad now after they got nerfed mybe a small boost, Boon prot monks are also very widely used so a nerf/rebalance of boon or oob(most common energy skill for boon prot) maybe coming.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53   #11
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Gale.
SV.
SS.
Distortion.
Crippling Shot.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54   #12
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i think maybe orders might be nerfed...damage iway and effectively ruin ranger spike in one go..although i dont think they are overpowered
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55   #13
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Resurrection Signet.. come on bring someone back to life just like that?? :|
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58   #14
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I can see them possibly changing some monk skills, to totally annoy the 55'ers


EDIT: Like Protective Spirit, like either shorter length of usage or longer recharge. Maybe both to infuriate them :P

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Old Feb 19, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59   #15
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Gale.
SV.
SS.
Distortion.
Crippling Shot.
Quoted for truth, those are the ones I predict will be revisited.

I'm also thinking certain pieces of equipment (henge helm) will be reworked.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19   #16
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1)Gale
2)Spiteful Spirit
3)Ether Prodigy
4)Crippling Shot
5)Distortion
6)IWAY
7)Orders (possibly)
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27   #17
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Spiteful is hardly overpowered, it only seems that way when you get
moronic people standing close to each other. When you see SS pop
on your bar you should be moving away from other people.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36   #18
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Gale.
SV.
SS.
Distortion.
Crippling Shot.
wtf. Balancing doesnt mean nerf every skill that is useful.

just cuz every player in the gwwc uses those non necro skills doesnt mean they are overpowered it means they are at the perfect level of usefulness to cost.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40   #19
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hehehe...

to be fair --- nerf every skill.

except mending -- that one's not too bad.
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Old Feb 19, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43   #20
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I can see them possibly changing some monk skills, to totally annoy the 55'ers


EDIT: Like Protective Spirit, like either shorter length of usage or longer recharge. Maybe both to infuriate them :P

Not gonna happen.

I honestly dont think they will nerf the 55 any more, they nerfed AOE (ZF) which made it the uber-thing that it was, not that you dont have that anymore its much sloer and there are other build which kill faster (axe war)...

IWAY will be nerfed.
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